Women article to show how women’s roles have been

Women roles have been something
we have all struggled with from time to time it has also been evolving and
changing throughout history. At certain times they have been lower than males
being looked at as someone who was not equal in intelligence and only looked at
for reproduction purposes to bare children to keep the bloodlines going. There
are different views on women’s roles from The
Symposium, The Knocking Sandals and
an article to show how women’s roles have been changing over time and they are
being treated.

            In The Symposium,
Pausanias talks about two types of love which is heavenly and common love.
Heavenly love is mainly for males who are looking for boys to pass down their
wisdom and integrity standards. So, from having this relationship with a boy
means they were gaining virtue. Common love is when you can love women and boys
yet only their bodies not for loving them for their intelligence they have and
to get what they want from that other person (Plato, pg. 13). From this way of
thinking the women’s role were totally different from the males. The young boys
were intelligent and beautiful. Which older males searched for whereas the
women were just for reproduction purposes to keep their bloodlines going
strong. They were not seen as intelligent at all for and should not even be in
the same room as them when they were having deep intelligent conversations. Even
before all the eulogy’s happened there was a flute girl who was playing which,
they sent away due to how they did not think she should be in the same room as
them to either play with herself or the other side of the house were the women
were (Plato, pg. 8). The women were always segregated away from the men when
they were about to have a deep intelligent conversation about anything. They
were also thought as adulteress that would go after young boys and corrupt
their minds to where they would only know Common Love.

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            Yet, during this deep conversation in The Symposium when Socrates was speaking
he brought up how he had a conversation with a woman named Diotima. Which he
ended up calling her wise and how he wanted to become her student and learn
from her. (Plato, pg. 43) Which was something that never happened during this period
and is completely different from what happened from when they were about to
start eulogies with the flute girl. They did not want her in the same room as they
let alone hear what she had to say to Socrates. Yet, this shines a new light on
how she was able to voice her opinion on the subject at hand which they even
listened to him as well. Women were basically seen just for baby making and did
not have a brain. She broke most of the rules by making her voice heard by speaking
her mind to a male who kept an open mind to innovative ideas not holding
accountable what sex they might have and making valid points in the discussions
they were having and even she basically talked though another.

Diotima was explaining who Love’s parents was if you take the story as a
metaphor of the relationships of the Greeks. Resource which is Loves father
would be resourceful and wise (Plato pg. 40). Which can explain the males in
how if women don’t have a male they would be in poverty sense they would not
have the resources to stay alive and they shouldn’t be in the same room as the
males due to not having the same intelligence as well. Which that isn’t necessary
true women could survive without men, but it would just be difficult for them
during this point of time, yet we will be discussing this idea more later. Yet,
Poverty was Loves mother. Almost just like what Pausanias said with common love
how they only to reproduce and get what they want which was a plan made up by
Poverty to make Love. Love became the natural love of beauty.  (Plato pg. 39) So here it shows how women were
like adulteress coming up with plans to achieve their goals to seduce males to
get what they want from them.

            She continues to explain that being pregnant in the body
and the mind. Which would be another form of Heavenly and Common love which Pausanias
was talking about. (Plato, p43) She also continues to say how Love’s object is
to reproduce and give birth due to how that is the closest thing humans can
come to being moral and achieving immortality. (book pg. 44) Which is what
women was mostly seen as there only purpose in life was to reproduce. So, if
you think about it both sexes were equal and only achieved a higher status when
they were pregnant and giving birth. Yet women would achieve that more than the
males since they can only have it when they were trying to conceive and the
birth of the child. Verses the women which went through all those stages the
male went through plus was the one pregnant for the nine months and gave birth
to the child, so they would have a more emotional bond with the child until it
became a young boy. This gives the impression that Common Love with women was stronger
than the Common Love you get with young boys or a Heavenly Love you would get
with your mentor since everything started with the mother getting pregnant to
continue with this cycle.

            For the reading of The Knocking Sandals we will start
with Archilochus “Cologne Epode” in this reading an upper-class male was trying
to woe a lower-class female. (reading pg. 1) He even goes over how he will be
made fun of if he has a relationship with this female due to her status and how
he mainly talks about the female only in a sexual way. The same for The Symposium how they only think of
them as a reproducing thing rather than a human being. How if they don’t have a
male they are poor which shows with her status. This is also a form of Common
Love with only having lust of this female. Not saying other than how she is
beautiful and how he would love to have sex with her. It does talk about
marriage which is probably to reproduce to continue to keep his bloodline still
going. Then he gets rejected which he gets angry over and starts to degrade her
by calling her names for an example he called her a bitch (reading pg. 2) for
basically saying no to him. Telling a male no was like a big ego shot and some
couldn’t handle it to where they lashed out in anger. This is also something
even today we struggle with due to how the same things happen to women which
you will read in the last section.

            This next reading, we will be discussing will break most
of the rules for the Greeks. We have talked a little about how the older males
will pick a young boy who is beautiful to pass down wisdom and integrity
standards. Which was called Heavenly Love in The Symposium. Yet in Sappho it is very opposite from what you are
used to with having a woman confess her love for another woman (Chrol). This was
not something that happened often actually it’s something you never really
heard or talked about. The females usually end up staying with the males due to
how they have been told they will never amount to anything without a male by
their side to give them the resources they need. One of the women even leaves
her husband and moves away from him and her kids to get away from that life to
start a new one. We have gone over how most women will be nothing without the
male in the picture. They will be breaking and amount to nothing due to how
they are not intelligent enough. Yet you see how she ends up doing things that
was told to her that would not happen. She moved on her own and was still
making it on her own. This woman confesses her love in a very romantic way that
men do not even express only to their Heavenly Love you see in The Symposium towards other males. She does
not talk about her sexually like you see the males do in the readings The
Knocking Sandals. You can tell this was more emotional and full of passion for
the other women. How this woman was her other half. She was even begging the
gods for her to stay due to how she would rather be dead than lose her. You can
tell how the roles of women have changed how she wants to be able to take care
of her which was intended for a man to do and show her how they can make things
work even if the odds are against them. They even show a different side of
themselves by being passionate which would be a sign of a Heavenly Love that
would be shared between men rather than women.

            In today’s society, there is an issue with women’s role
and what they should be doing for males. In the article about Aziz Ansari, it
states how a woman was on a date with Ansari they were doing oral and how she
said no to sex as in penetration. This would be a form of Common Love by only
lusting after this female rather than for her mind. He did not like how she
told him not at all and would not take no for an answer. Just like what we saw
in Archilochus “Cologne Epode”. Where he lashed out by calling her names by
getting rejected by the lower status female. Yet, She goes on how he controlled
everything that happened that night even what they ate. (Krishnan, pg. 3) From
what we have went over from the previous reading you can still see that men
still try and take control over women and not listen to their voice in what
they want or say which could be very important. This day and age they must go
to the extreme to make their voice heard about anything as simple as just
saying no to sexual actions. Men run this world and do not like how we are standing
up and trying to make it equal against how things have been run for the longest
time. Where men were on top and women were on the bottom of the latter.

             To conclude women’s
roles have been something we have all struggled with from time to time it has
also been evolving and changing throughout history. Certain times they have
been lower than males being looked at as someone who wasn’t equal in
intelligence and only looked at for reproduction purposes. You can see over
time we have come a long way and we still have further way to go to be equal
with the opposite sex and not have roles we have to fulfill.